Category: the Rant Board
All right, here's a thought. No, it's nothing new of any sort, but here's what really bothers me. No drama intended. I wonder why it makes us feel so good about picking on people. Especially on those who have trouble defending themselves. I'm not complaining, or wining. Personally I am capable of defending myself, or receiving lip. I don't care. I also don't mean to sound hypocritical, because I've done it on very few ocasions, and afterwords felt bad about it. I just don't understand how people can keep on picking on a person, and after seeing that that person can't articulate very well for themselves they keep going. What's the point? It's like fighting with someone weeker than you, of course you're going to nock that person down, and you know it and you keep on beating the shit out of that person. Eventually you nock that person out, but why didn't you instead teach him/her how to defend themselves? Why the hell have the battle in the first place? Is it because that person doesn't chalenge us? Is it because we think we're cool? Or is it because others think we're cool, and so then we're tecknically followers? That's not constructive, is pointless and serves no real perpose. In my opinion it makes us look like fools. Troling, is a good example. I just feel bad when I see other people being picked on, and they can't really defend themselves and people don't just leave it at that. In other words, feeding the trolls. Sure, we've all done it at some point. But I believe that ignoring such behavior would be best. We're not all going to agree, and we're free to express our deep dislikes. I get that. But I feel that once, is enough. I'm not trying to say what should be done, or trying to tell anyone what to do. Hell no, I don't intend to. I'm just expressing how I feel about this matter. Nothing wrong with that, right? Jump on me all you want. Shred me into a zillion pieces. Try to nock me down. It's fine, I've had my say. Cheers!
I think it's a sense of power... like creatures in the animal kingdom, the predators will go after the weakest member of a group (the zebra with the lame leg, for example). I think with us humans it's a bit complex because we know better and do it anyway. Perhaps we like the heady rush of power too much, because if we had to face ourselves, then we'd feel like crap and have to do something counter-intuitive and make changes in ourselves.
Ever hear the saying that when you insult someone, you are hitting on something in yourself you don't like? VERY bad paraphrase here, but I honestly think there's some truth to it.
Kate
That's very true, Kate. That makes a lot of sence.
Kate makes sense.
And Dolce, I can only speak for myself here, but you said we are acting like fools. The times I have done what you describe, I wasn't acting like a fool, I was full-blown being a fool. Either just rushing to get in on something, having a knee-jerk reaction, getting on the train since everyboy else that I even respected was doing it, and so on. it's the same as those who retweet and repost slander on the social networks, and the fictional story becomes more real than the real situation at hand.
Lol, I can assure you I've actind like a fool many times, but not by repeting the same thing over and over again.
I think a lot of it is the anonymity of the internet gives some folks, no matter how good they might be, a fre pass to let their inner demon come out and play. I guess to them, since we're all reduced to typed words, it's not like you're hurting real people, you're just typing words. I think it's a dumb excuse meself but who's to say many people have dumb reasons for doing stuff. Sometimes, yes, maybe they have friends looking on with similar motivations so they want to see who can be the cleverest or most extreme. I think if you Google around, there are lots of articles about internet trolls and what drives them.
How do you think you learn to defend yourself? You do it by having other people force you to do it. The only way to learn to block a blow is to have a blow thrown at you. Eventually, you either learn how to block them or you get knocked unconscious. Those are your choices. You either learn to dodge, you leave the ring, or you lose.
Cody is right on.
if we all just sat back and never showed people what I like to call tough love, no one would ever learn how to be, you guessed it, tough.
if certain people in the world don't wanna act that way, that's fine. step back, and let those of us do it who have lived through being given tough love ourselves, and been forced to see how effective it can be.
But you can't use the same method with the same people because they're not all going to have the same effect. I don't see how trolling is tough love, I call bullshit on that one, because there's no love except for putting others down and getting a great deal of pleasure out of it, apart from just running one's mouth. I'm not talking about sensitive people who can't handle a constructive debate. That's completely different.
Tough love is one of those catch-all phrases used by abusive types, some well-meaning types, and people who just want to aggressively act out and attach that aggression to a virtue.
That's true, Leo. I can relate to that, by abusive family who said they were using their tough love. Yeah, right.
I don't think Leo means it is a method that is only used by people who are abusive in nature, but that people have their own reasons for using tough love. Because there is a difference between being abusive and giving out constructive love. Now, I do agree that I don't see how trolling or bullying is a form of tough love, because everyone that bullies or trolls does not do it to a person that they like per say. Tough love is more of a lesson that is taught by one person who is either a family member or a close friend to another, at least in my opinion. Let me ask you this. How many of you bully or troll people that you are close friends with just because? Take just a second to think about that.
It doesn't make sense does it. You obviously wouldn't do that to someone because if you did, you wouldn't have many friends. People wouldn't want to associate with you, because taking this from a literal stance, if you bullied everyone you encountered including other bullies, people would get sick of you. Trolling is a little different though, because it isn't necessarily used in a mean way all the time. Most of the time trolling is done for a reaction. It doesn't have to be done for a negative reaction, like pissing someone off or hurting someone's feelings. At least this is the difference I've seen between a bully and a troll. On the zone I've seen more trolling than bullying, and more times than not I've seen people mistake one for the other. The only thing you can do is lighten up and learn to take things with a grain of salt. The trolls want a reaction. The bullies want you to get pissed off, or upset and throw a fit. I used to get out of hand with it myself when I had some down times, and it was a way to get my head off of things I couldn't stop thinking of, or things I wasn't happy with. And instead of being a man and facing these things I turned it on other people which isn't cool. I don't see the fun in it anymore though. But sometimes one man's fun comes at another man's expense. I'm not saying that it is right or fair. I'm just saying the trolls and bullies aren't just going to go away.
I may have done it as a child, but I put it away a really long time ago.
I had enough of it below my teen years, so I simply don't do it.
If you are talking debate, I love debate, but I don't see that as picking on someone.
I'm more likely to defend the weaker person.
The word troll is vastly overused, and I don't think the OP is using it correctly in this context. What she's talking about isn't trolling. Its bullying if you want to call it that, but I think bullying is done with the intent of bringing people down.
I agree that tough love is a claim usually made by those who are being abusive. I'm not talking about tough love. I'm talking about the fact that the real world is not full of daisies and unicorns that fart rainbows. You have to be able to take criticism, constructive or destructive criticism. You have the choices I laid out above. Unfortunately I se all too many blind people choosing the manner of getting out of the ring, and I se even more people allowing them to. I just refuse to be a part of that.
to explain what I mean a little more, and add to what leo said, the phrase "tough love," isn't only used by people who are abusive.
to give an example of what I refer to as tough love, there was a time during wood shop class, when I was trying to complete a task.
I was taking a long time, and the instructor said, "are you gonna sit there for a god damned hour?" I responded, saying that, since I was there to learn how to problem solve, and I hadn't yet exhausted every possible option I could think of, I'd continue doing so till I did. if I eventually found that I needed help, I'd ask for it.
the instructor said, "that's my girl," pat me on the back, and immediately walked off.
I realize that writing this story down is much different than hearing it, and knowing all the background of what a hard time I generally had in that particular class, but it illustrates exactly what I'm talking about, when I bring up tough love.
the two of us had a little more back and forth than I wrote, here, but my point in bringing it up was to say that although some people may have seen that as unnecessary harshness on his part, I took it as he intended for me to.
he wanted to see if I'd take his crap, or actually stand up for myself, and do what I said I would.
Ryan, good points. Wayne, I'm not talking debate. Debating is fun and constructive, when you do it right. I'm not the best of debaters, so I'm not sensitive about them. And like I said before, Ryan made some good points. I had a thought and it slipped. Oh, I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I know I mentioned trolling as an example, but it's not all I'm talking about. I just think that sometimes we say or do things without really thinking about how others might feel. No, I'm not talking about this during a constructive debate, or a lesson. I'm speaking of bringing down the people we dislike. I'm speaking of picking on people who can't really articulate for themselves, and who react like we expect and are then made fun of. I'm speaking of constantly letting people know how stupid, or dumb, or lame they are because they say or do things differently than we expect. And the sad thing is that we sometimes react the same way. I don't see these things as tough love, or teaching someone a lesson. You can't force someone to learn a lesson. If they don't grasp it it's because they probabbley can't, or don't want to. So they'll learn in time or with circumstances of lipe. That's all. I appreciate the answers that truly made sence. I mean I just feel bad when I see these things, and well no harm intended in posting this. Cheers!
Dolce, I've given you my opinion on this topic before and on other boards, so not going to say anything else here other than there's way too many of these such people on these zone boards that not only get a kick out of bullying others, but argue for the sake of arguing.
Then you get these "followers". -- "I agree with XX because I've really got nothing better to say, and, I inspire to be like you one day if I grow up."
There's someone on here who's the biggest bully on here at the moment, and I believe he might know I'm speaking about him; to this I say congratulations, you get my attention once again. I actually think this person has some very good points at times and I go so far as to say, I agree with them, but life would be so much simpler if he didn't enjoy attacking just because he happens to disagree with someone.
Anyway, like I've said, I care not any more; I've got better things to do than to participate in circular arguments full of attacks; I'm better than that.
Contrary to what this same person would like to believe, people like us, indeed are not scared of anyone, nor is it because we don't have the ability to argue a point, but plain and simply put, again, we have better things to do with our time.
What I think is really really, very sad, is some people come on here and they generally believe it's a safe place for them to talk about their personal problems and ask for advice. There's always, always, people who have to ruin this for everybody, not just the zone mind you.
I'm sincerely sorry Dolce to get slightly off track but I do find it rather amusing that when these topics come up, these same 'bullies" make oh-so-innocent" comments and they can't sit back and look at themselves.
Oh yes, and wouldn't it be good to come on here and have a good debate with no attacking comments. I admit, I'd learn so much.
I don't do it. All the last examples you gave, I simply don't do them.
I don't believe in them.
I don't believe in tough love.
I can take it, but I don't give it.
Wayne, i'm not saying you, particularly do these things. What can I say about all of this. I don't remember the other boards, because this is the first one I created about this. I'm not jumping at anyone specificly, but ehhh... we all must learn from these experiences and learn how to have constructive debates and meaningful conversations. Not all the times, of course please don't think I'm advocating perfection, I'm not. Anyhow, cheers!
Its interesting to me that some on this board ride in on high horses and decry this moral panic, before stopping to consider just how they've contributed to the problem itself. While some on this board are honest about their roll or actions, others are acting like that one girl who did it with the majority of the football team back in high school, but still insisted on wearing her purity ring for show. I was infamous for trolling and bullying on here a few years back. I can explain the why, the how, and the usual outcome, but I don't think most people are really looking for answers here. I think while we have some honest members of the crowd, we've also got a lot of people with their noses in the air, standing around to cast judgement, or looking for reasons to elevate themselves as compared to others. I'm not going to pander to that crowd, but I probably will explain things, or answer questions, if people are really curious.
some of you must also learn that not everyone will be nicey pooh all the time, just cause you think we should. the world just doesn't work that way.
contrary to this popular belief that some of us act as we do cause we wanna be bullies, or cause we wanna feel powerful, there are actually other reasons why we act as we do.
too many people are often left behind cause they won't stand up for themselves, or speak up when people present illogical viewpoints, or when people need to hear a truth that isn't sugar coated, so that they're forced to get out of their little bubble, at least for a minute.
as Cody accurately said, people don't learn anything, if blows aren't thrown at them, in some way or other.
think of it this way. if, every time you fell as a kid, a trusted adult always picked you up, before you had time to register what had happened, before you even had time to cry, or before you were able to realize you were okay, then figure out how to handle the situation.
you wouldn't learn a thing. you'd be given a false sense of security, in thinking the trusted adult would be there all the time. instead of learning that everyone falls, gets back up, and learning how to transfer that little lesson throughout your life as you get older, you'd be the kid, or maybe adult, crying on a corner, cause no one was there to do the work for you.
Agreed with chelsea. some people on here have accused me of trolling or bullying them, when all I've ever done, is not sugarcoat a statement.
Example. A person I won't name built quite the reputation for them self that made them appear to be obnoxious, hypocritical, seriously spiteful, and attention seeking. that last particularly applied to how they flirted with members of the opposite sex, and started drama if they happened to be turned down.
this person asked in public quick notes Why people didn't like or respect them. So, what did I do? I started by politely explaining all the negative qualities myself and others saw them display above, with examples. then I pointed out how their actions were effecting those around them, and how they were effecting their image. then I asked the simple question, would you associate with someone who wares all these qualities like a badge of pride? I explained I wasn't posting all this to be mean, but to help this person understand how their personal relationships were being effected by their actions. But, no... From that moment on, I was an asshole, because I said the uncomfortable truths. I called them out when they started acting the fool. I explained the psychology behind them attempting to play the pity card. I removed the wool this person had been placing over peoples eyes, and because I didn't go along with the lies and the drama, that made me a troll, and a bully.
I'll admit, I made absolutely no attempt to sugarcoat the information. This person said they could handle blunt honesty. they often give people blunt honesty, so I didn't think it would be a problem. But at the end of the day, considering most people don't understand what bullying is, or what trolling is, people end up completely misrepresented.
Eventually yes, my tactics turned trollish. After this person decided they'd gossip about what a horrible person I am, I took the bate, and broke their arguments down every time they started up that self pitying bullshit in publics.
they eventually put me on ignore. I'm still to this day not at all sorry for what I did, because someone had to answer the questions asked. I did start very polite after all. But then, as stupid as it sounds, when it was convenient for me, I took the opportunity to ram the point home.I wasn't even completely negative. I made it clear I thought that if she wanted too, she could completely change her image on the sight, with a little work, and a little restraint.
I'll admit, i've trolled people much more brutally than that, though any time i've stepped in and expressed myself, i've usually had an underlying point to communicate. Lots of people on here want the freedom to act how ever they'd like. But, they forget that allowing people to act like idiots opens up the door for people to attempt to make them stop. Most people I've knocked down a peg or two were not randomly chosen. they continuously violated the zones social contract, such as it is. Most of the time people politely asked them to stop time after time, after time. No dice.
Did that give me the right to be a vigilante? not really. But the methods used were usually very effective, and didn't result in long term damage.
the worst you can say of most of my actions, was that I channeled my frustration at my life/living situation in to attacking people who violated the piece of what in some sense was my online home.
But james, I don't see what you've done in the example as trolling or bullying. I mean, because it's either you handle brutal honesty or you don't. You can't just be honest, or blunt and not be willing to handle the truth. So, I don't see how you put this person down, by explaining everything you did. I think you're one of the very few honest people who truly make sence here. I'm saying this because you're not just bringing points across because nobody is going to be nice. I think there's more to that in life. You answered this person's question, and it was the truth. And though in regards to the high morals and such, I did admit I've done it in a few ocasions. Am I proud of it? no. But I don't keep doing it either. I've been very honest about this, and anyone who's taken the time to know me here will agree. Speaking for myself, I have no reason to elevate myself or put myself in a pedistal. I'm comfortable being myself, even though I know there's always room for improvement. Just had to cclear that up. :)
Considering other people's feelings is a large part of what it means to be human. All excuses aside, people who study forensics and related pathologies usually come back to the individual unwilling or unable to consider the feelings of others.
It's possible to completely destroy someone's argument and ideology without destroying the person. I'm as guilty as the next person for lack of consideration of another's feelings, and yes it is made easier online. I generally live to regret it and try to do better next time.
Cody's right, the world is not daisies and unicorns. But that is precisely why I think we need to exercise our humanity, and consider the feelings of others. Chelse, I understand you have had a very tough time. As a response to it, you have created an ideology of toughness as, what my wife says is coping mechanism, I think the word is. I understand: My own mother did this.
She was denied an awful lot of things as a child, had to perform all domestic duties from age 8 when her father died of cancer, and many more awful things. As a response, she created an ideology that declared those things as good. She'd deny this as a strategy, just I'm reasonably certain that you will.
I wouldn't tell either of you not to do this: it makes sense to you both, and it works for you. But societies aren't individuals, individuals are part of societies. As such, getting along has immense value for people. Homo sapiens have evolved as social animals, and the majority of our mental activity is spent figuring out how to get along with other people. Like it or not, most of your learning in life has to do with interpersonal relations. To go against that, you're realy fighting against your biology and evolution, as well as your ability to get what you want in life.
The Lone Ranger I-can-be-so-independent thinking is a myth produced by the Blood And Thunder dime novels of the 1800s, and has no scientific backing whatsoever among humans and other primates. Had you been born a bear or an alligator, the case would be different. But it seems just like the rest of us, you were born a human with a whole lot of selection for social intactions in your evolution.
there you go, leo, coming to a conclusion about me that's far from true. this is who I am, take it or leave it, love it or hate it.
the days are long gone when I built up walls cause of some of my past experiences, or blamed people for things, or not taken responsibility for my own actions. however, believe what you will, just as others will/do.
Dolte, I understand you are not attacking me. I am just stating what I do, or don't do.
I think Leo says what I think, and why I act as I do. I think it important to think about a persons feelings.
Now, I can't control how what I say, no matter how I've tried to think about them, will affect them, but I do try.
My other failing, is I don't mine bluntness, rudeness, or whatever way someone decides to come across. It doesn't make me want to go away.
It is them, and that is what I think.
Of course, I have my opinion about them and what I think or their actions, but they are as free to say, and be as they are as I am.
If I can accuse them of being rude, they can accuse me of being what they call milly mouth.
My world is diverse, and that is fine by me.
I also understand why people do as they do, or why bullying happens, I just don't jump in and follow.
If I'm perceived as bullying, it is me that is bullying, not because I am following the group.
I'm not a group person, never have been. It just isn't me.
Because of that, I'd say I've never seen James bully. Even if he thinks he did.
If one gets in the kitchen, sometimes it is hot in there, sometimes not. This is life.
I don't believe I fully get, let alone attributed, those accusations against you, if that is what they were. I certainly don't take issue with you, though for better or worse, I do sympathize. Like Wayne, I'm not offended people see us as weak, soft core, and other names I've been called.
There's a lot I could say here, but I'll try to keep it short. I have been guilty of picking on members around here before. It's not something I do often, but I have. A couple years ago there was a big deal made because me and Scott were CL's at the time, and, I'll admit, did have fun messing with a user in publics who was just bringing the drama down on himself. But still, we were CL's and should not have done it. Now, I usually don't tend to participate in such activities when I see them in publics, but nor do I actively get involved either, or stand up for the person being picked on. Maybe I should, but generally I don't. I can't deny that often I get amused by some of it. Again, probably shouldn't, but I do. But Dolce, I see your point, and most of the time when that kind of thing happens, it is unfair and unwarranted.
I think Godzilla had part of it right way back in Post 6. It's the internet, and the anonymity that comes with being behind a keyboard. I know many have used the Zone as a place to, as he put it, let their inner demon come out and play. Even I have on occasion.
Which brings me to post 17. Rachel, the problem is, it's not safe putting things out on the Internet, no matter what the community: the Zone, Facebook, Twitter, a blog, etc. Someone has to be careful in choosing what they put out there. The Internet is generally not a safe place to discuss personal problems, and anyone who thinks it is is fooling themselves. But usually learning that comes with age, and often nasty experience. I've certainly posted things here I now wish I had not, but there's not much I can do about it at this point. So, the internet not being safe isn't just unique to the Zone. I do agree with your other points, about people on here just attacking simply because they can. It's unfortunate, but it does occur. But again, not unique to the Zone, it can happen anywhere.
So there's my two cents.
as much as some people seem to think that some of us wake up every morning, saying, "I'd love to cause drama on the zone, today," that simply isn't true.
as I've said time and time again, some of us have chosen to do away with the kid gloves, and it just so happens that bluntness is oftentimes how we communicate, both in person, as well as online.
while I'm not denying that there are people who love to cause trouble, here, I'd urge the OP and others who share her views to realize that that sort of thing happens anywhere we go.
since this is such a small community, people are obviously more apt to take things personally, and try and convince themselves that some users only act a certain way cause we're the all powerful bullies who are inwardly fighting personal demons, and therefore have nothing better to do with our lives than to bring others down with us.
When I first got online in a public way, I decided I should be exactly what I was online as off.
That is the reason for my name, Forereel.
I wanted For real, but couldn’t get it.
It is me universally, and not specific to the Zone.
I rate products, join in other discussion groups on technology, and such.
If you met me you’d know I am exactly the same. I don’t suggest this should be everyone’s way, it just works for me.
I’d never say or do anything online I’d not say or do offline.
I quite frankly don't care a whole lot why bullies bully when I see it happen. I just try and make it stop, and if occasionally I get punched for doing so, and then won't take said punch lying down...well, the worst I can say is that it then becomes a spectacle, and I have thick skin and tough bones. It stops being about bullying then, and starts being about often nitpicky differences of opinion. It's hard to really upset or offend me if I don't know you well, but it's not exactly difficult to get me to cry foul and try to chase.
Basically, I don't really care about justifications, explanations and the like when I see people trying some of the arguments I've seen here. Facts speak for themselves and so do patterns.
If I had a child who fell down a lot, I sure as hell wouldn't always pick him up before he knew he was hurt, but I wouldn't put things in his way to make him trip either. That's not tough love, it's counter-intuitive high-handed cruelty.
and where, SW, did I suggest putting things in a child's way to intentionally hurt him?
You didn't, but there is more than just the opposite ends of the spectrum regarding what some call tough love.
There's the bit where you're really gentle and pander a lot. Then there's the opposite end, where you don't feel you have to spare anything for anyone. And then there's the large bit in the middle, where most of us reside, where we're still honest but we still consider the feelings of others.
When my child trips, I believe in teaching him to understand pain. So I'll sympathize, but I'll also tell him not to run so fast next time.
I think a lot of people try and justify a lot of roaring and platforming by saying they're just being honest. No, they're flexing their muscles on a forum either because they don't do it in the flesh or because they've got something to prove. Or maybe it's another reason entirely, but that makes it no better; there is no excuse for it, and the explanations just don't wash.
Good points being brought up here. I do think it's part of being human to consider other's feelings. I'm not saying by telling the truth, but Greg is right on about tough love. Like I said I have no drama intended, and truth be told if the shoe fits, where it. Such as having to argue with everything that's being said. But to each their own, I guess. :)
I have a question? Why do people create boards that are basically targeted at one person instead of saying why they dislike them to their face?
It's really interesting.
I love how people here atempt to take the moral highground being like "oh I hate trolls" but then they'll change their status on here to a bitchy remark directed at another user.
Why do we do that I wonder?
Why don't you ask those people. Because this board isn't targeted at any individual. As I said it's not even about things I've been told, as I can defend myself. It's the behavior in question, and not just in this sight, mind you. I have no bief with anyone, and if I do they very well know. High Moral? When did I say I've never done it? I got some great input, which was the intention of this board. :)
I don't think this thread was targeted at one person. I think at least one person here in this thread narrowed the scope a bit, but I can tell you flat out that, probably without meaning to, I've probably chased a couple of people with more vigour than I chase the rest of you. It's not bullying, there are other reasons behind it, but getting into them in detail would probably derail so I'll refrain.
I was also going to ask that. Are we talking strictly Zone behavior or just bullying or trolling in general. I do not buy the idea that bullying builds character. Too often people get so caught up in it and get their friends to join that it goes too far and people commit suicide. Guess they were too weak to put up with tough love. No, I didn't tell you that you and your family should die because you were gay because I hated gays and was being mean, I wanted you and your family to die for only the best of intentions and you committed suicide because you were just too weak to withstand it all. I was going to stop, eventually, after 30 years or so if you'd just stuck around that long. LOL!
It's not something that is unexpected to happen online though. When you come on here, or some other sites like this one it's every person for themselves. Either be ready to be burned or stay out of the kitchen. If you decide to stick around it's just a matter of how you handle it. These topics start up drama most of the time, and everyone who posts to them will probably end up being tested by the button pushers. I all ready have. But to be quite frank I don't care about a lot of the people on here. I've met some cool people and I know who associates with who, and which group goes with the bandwagon. But at the end of the day I'm my own person, so I'm not going to join the bandwagon.
If bullying and tough love and being blunt built character, the book Lord of the Flies would have been written quite differently, with quite a different plot and ending.
I'm with Ryan. If certain people on here suddenly vanished from the face of the earth tomorrow, it wouldn't phase me in the slightest.
That's true, Greg, Leo and Ryan. Hahaha G-O-T, you brought a good point. That's why I've answered the questions that have been posed to me, and I'm not ashamed of who I am, though I do admit my wrongdoings. It does happen where we tend to get things out of context, lol! so...
lol this topic is obviously targeted it a particular group of people. Then the OP comes in and responds to another post stating that it's not? Ah the self contradictions. SMH. Not to mention that the OP's status is aimed at another particular user in here.
Oh also, when I saw the title of this topic, thought it was a sex related question lol.
yep, but Ms. I have a mind of my own, won't ever admit she's being hypocritical.
“am a nice and shy asshole.”
“I'm so glad I have a mind of my own, and that I've been gifted better tallents than being an asshole.”
Just me who can see a link? Didn’t think so.
I saw that before this topic was created and thought it had to do with something else, though it could be related. It makes sense. Friends will be friends and stick up for each other. I guess I've never really been a group person in general though, you guys who have talked to me on Skype or whatever could probably tell I wasn't ever very social in big groups. I could never get comfortable with a click which is what they call groups like that around here, and every school I went to had clicks which I never fit in with. So I had more friends as individuals than groups of friends if that makes sense. one of the reasons is because of things like thiswhere everyone in a group goes after someone who they feel is attacking a member of that group, and if you don't stick up for them then you are a traitor. Maybe it sounds ridiculous but I'm a person who tries to take things from a neutral stand point. I don't want to have to try and fit in with a group, I'd rather just be friends with a person on their terms and mine. I don't have beef with anyone here as individuals.
Sticking up for the members of the croud, Kudos for your loyalty. Since I'm not a member of a croud, I can defend myself, I don't need someone else or a mass to do it for me. That's one of the many things I'm proud of, I sound like a snob, oh well sorry. And I'm not ashamed of it. Awww, I'm so sorry it struck some of you, you guys make yourselves obvious. But I sware I wasn't targeting any group here, I was talking about internet trolling. But again, it happens here so of course it'll hit you like a rock. Now then, here's the absolute truth. Take it or leave it, I honestly don't care about how certain people take it. First, I have no beif with anyone here. If anything I'm indifferent towards some people, I won't morn their death. If I did, I've told them directly. I have no problem doing so, I don't need to create a board post to target people here. I don't just need to run my mouth, I can comunicate directly very well. Another thing I'm proud of. Next, Now some people here claim I'm hypocritical, but what they say I take with a grain of salt, it has no value because I don't have the reputation they hav for the stupid shit they've done. I do practice what I preach. What I say has lots of value, I promise. So who's being more hipocritical? Not me, because I do admit to have done it on ocasions, note, have done it. Yes, I said it. Next: My status. Yes, we all jump to conclusions, I've done it myself. But conclusions don't make facts, I'll explain. Why do people assume that when someone writes a status here, it's targeted at someone in particular? I can write something like you're a complete cunt, or I love you, and it doesn't have to be directed at anyone on the site. So, my status wasn't directed at anyone here. I had someone else in mind when I wrote it, and well if the shoe fits where it, I won't take it off for ya. The truth hurts, even when it isn't meant for you, because you know it's the truth. But had it not been for that status, none of the loyal would have anything to say here, oh how I love this! Sorry it wasn't what you thought it was, any hankys needed here? You people never cease to amuse me. Keep it up! The truth is that we don't know everything behind things, we may assume, but we don't really know until we ask, right?. And sure, it made sence, but I already explained my status. So now, what else have you been told to back up, Ahem, I meant you really got to say? And it's true, I'm so glad I have a mind of my own, and that I've been gifted better tallents than being an asshole. Because I'm not. Thank you for the conclusions, and the pareting and the loyalty. I had some great amusement today.
Nah but Ryan you might not be cliquey but you get on with everyone round here, respect for that.
In all honesty nobody "told" me to say anything. An assumption on your part there.
Well, it made sence because you said telling someone I dislike them to their face, when you know it has nothing to do with that. And you're defending that person, so of course it made sence. But, I stand corrected. Other than that, I've said the truth. :)
Oh, and to clear things up, because I'm sure people will talk after this, I don't have a problem with you, the op, just the way I feel a situation was handled. I don't like to make personal comments, as in he's this she's that, but I will stick up for my friends if I feel they're in a situation that isn't fair. And that's any friends, not just ones that are in the same group on here.
I don't like this board, whether it was or wasn't targeted at certain users, and I do think it was. There is trolling but that's life, we all get trolled, you just have to suck up and deal sometimes.
I don't have any problem with you either, really and truly. Thanks.
Dolce, there are people who think every post and every writing is about them, and have to write back so we all know it's them, er, I mean, so they can tell us that it isn't.
It's just like those who have to write back all the time to show they are the exception to the norm in any given situation, and how dare any of us say there are things generally true most of the time.
I'm the exception to a lot of norms, but am a big enough boy to know those norms are generally true, and it doesn't make me pout, or as the kids now call it, "go emo". But it does make some people do those things. It ain't personal, they just need to let everybody know.
Oh and Ryan, I am far from the spelling Nazi but in case you ever put the word in to Google, the word they use is clique not click, even though it sounds like click when we say it. Spelled out as c l I q u e.
Hmmm never knew it was spelled different. Thanks for telling me. If I saw that word in a different context I wouldn't have a clue what it is lol.
like ScarletSky, I was simply sticking up for those I'm friends with here.
I love you.
Next time think before you speak, people. That's all I'm saying. You're right on, Leo! Wayne, I love you too! :)
Truer words haven't been spoken in years. I know I've come in at the end of this, but it was a facinating read. Thank you so much for posting!
Yeah, but think before you speak could apply to all of us...not just some of us who chose to respond. It could equally be said about posting this topic in the first place.
well, ha. i am, perhaps because of so much pot smoking confussed!!!?? i am guilty of joining the band wagon and hammering on some folk on here. music richie and luther to name a few. others i use humor. it does suck. when i first joined this site folk were cruel. hell if you think this is harsh. hate to tell you, this aing nothing.
it was a good read. so, miss dolce thanks for creating the post. not sure what all this,"statues" stuff is about since i am not a premium member. so cannot see them nor do i pay much attention to them. folks, life is short. so lets just have fun. keep the real creeps out. help each other to make our short years in this fucked up world pleaseant and positive. without ampathay we lose our humanity. without our humanity we are nmothing. cheers. gizzy
Takes to much effort. I can barely think to speak, let alone think about what I'm going to say.
Now why did she assume I meant her when I said I love you? *scratches head.
Wayne, no one would think you have the ability to randomly throw out, "fuck," "shit," or "I love you," to whoever thanks you first. lol.
in the real world, there's really a disorder that causes people to have random outbursts like that, but I'm just joking with you.
Lol Carlos, love youh fost. Wayne, I was only kidding. I thought out very well before I posted this topic,. I didn't defend myself or others, or make a comeback based on conclusions, So Of course it applys to all of us, especially when we're not targeting or feel targeted. In fact I answered questions truthfully, I've stood corrected, and layed out explainations of what you guys pointed out. I am not a person who defends my friends even when they're wrong. My friends are capable of defending themselves, just as I. So, you're right. :)
Damn it! I had the wedding all planned. Dolte, will you reconsittter?
Dolce, I haven't been on here for ages so am late in responding to you.
I have spoken to you about my opinions on this a number of times. I agree with you, arguing for the sake of arguing is not my thing but each to their own I guess. Like you, I just worry about those who come on here to vent and cop it all from the bullies but I'm not going to worry any more; people will get to know what goes on around here. :)
You actually responded earlier...
Probably forgetful. I love forgetful women. I can be forgiven for the same sin twice. Smile.